Jan and Lien go over Lien's family history. In 1970 her aunt founded a hospital and maternity in El Salvador.
Lien's uncle was killed in El Salvador. Lien talks about her family with stepdaughters that she got at a young age while she wasn't yet a mother herself.
Her stepdaughters had a difficult time accepting that Lien and her partner Hans were expecting another child.
They talk about Lien's perfectionalism and visit an orphanage.